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Post by fisherboy7 Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:22 pm

Clearly all e107's are very difficult to find, but it seems like some show up much less frequently than others. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to the degrees of rarity between the HOFers in the set? What about tough non-HOFers?

I'll take first stab at it. Keep in mind these are only my observations after following the set fairly closely since 2002/3.

Easier E107 HOFers:

Flick
Waddell
Lajoie
Plank
Chesbro/Willis/J. Collins

Seldomly Seen E107 HOFers:

Chance - never seen one personally
Bender
Clarke
Delahanty
Mathewson

A low grade Bender was sold on ebay by Levi Bleam in 2002 with a $500 BIN. He listed several others that night including Mcginnity, Lajoie, Flick, and Willis. All were huge bargains, with the Lajoie being the most expensive ($1500ish BIN) but it was in nice shape. The others were all between $400-600. Man do I ever regret not going BIN crazy that night!

The rest of the HOFers seem to fall somewhere in between the ones I listed above. Agree/disagree? How about your observations?

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Post by Bicem Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:31 pm

agreed on your list of easier HOFer's, I would put Young, Joss and McGinnity on there too.

your tough list looks pretty good too, I've always heard that Delahanty was the toughest HOFer. The one that Masson bought recently I think he actually got a pretty good deal!

Hearing that Levi story makes me... frustrated
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Post by Square_Frame_Ramly Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:41 pm

Ben...scroll down to Chance and you will see his card, very nice looking Chance.

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Post by Square_Frame_Ramly Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:45 pm

I have only owned 3 E107 cards-- Roy Thomas, Jack Harper and a Harry Steifeldt. Sold Thomas and Steinfeldt at a great profit. Harper was in really bad shape so i broke even on that.

Wish i could afford to start collecting them.

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Post by fisherboy7 Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:45 pm

Jeff - I agree with your remarks.

Mark- nice bunch of scans on that site! Now that I'm looking at it, I think I've seen a scan of the Chance before but don't recall one for sale.

An addition to the tough list: Joe Kelley. I think this might even be the first time I've seen a scan of this card!

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Post by ItsOnlyGil Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:15 pm

Great site Mark!

The hardest e107 is the one which I am seeking, John Gochnauer, or so it seems.

Year Ag Tm Lg AB 2B 3B HR BA
1902 26 CLE AL 459 16 4 0 .185
1903 27 CLE AL 438 16 4 0 .185

Although his performance in his only two full MLB seasons, as shown above, appears amazingly comparable; the facts are that in 1903 he more than doubled his error production of the previous year to the post-1900 record of 98 errors in a season. For comparison, the 1963 Mets were the last team to record 200 errors in a season.

One of last century’s best no field/no hit candidates.

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Post by sabrjay Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:34 pm

I thought Wagner was one of the toughies too. question

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Post by fisherboy7 Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:58 pm

sabrjay wrote:I thought Wagner was one of the toughies too. question

Wagner is definitely tough, but that might be partially because it's the highest profile (and most expensive) card in the set. E107 Wagners are more likely to be tucked away in major collections than any other card in the set, thus making it seem like they appear in auctions far less frequently. Still, I think one could argue that Wagner belongs on the list of toughest E107 HOFers.

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Post by cccc Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:35 am

it's impossible debating this point as with most of these cards there are only a handful examples or less anyways. i've seen plank the most, and of the big cards from talking to andy baran/scott brockelman a couple years back the matty only have 2 examples so far. i don't think scott's ever owned a matty although he went in with andy on the lipset big group awhile back where andy ended up with it. this could've all changed of course since scott hasn't posted a e107 wanted thread in awhile.

being a caramel diehard i'd love to own an e107 wagner...and might even settle for a matty, delahanty, or young Smile...owning a 1/1 kelley does nothing for me.
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Post by t206head Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:45 am

I can't add much on this subject having never see this set before (sorry I'm new) but I did have a Question that someone could help me with . What would a far price be for a E107 Chick Stahl in any grade?? and is it worth the work thanks RJP
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Post by Bicem Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:14 am

t206head wrote:I can't add much on this subject having never see this set before (sorry I'm new) but I did have a Question that someone could help me with . What would a far price be for a E107 Chick Stahl in any grade?? and is it worth the work thanks RJP

all depends on eye appeal... I would guess a true beater that looked really bad would still fetch around $500-600. A nice looking SGC 20 w/ decent eye appeal maybe around $1100-1200.
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Post by Bicem Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:17 am

there will be a ton of them in REA - 60+!!!

How do you think such a large offering will effect current prices? Will it lower them since supply will be up, or maybe raise them since interest in the set may be increased by such a large group being sold.

Would love to hear some thoughts on this! (sorry for kinda OT) Surprised
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Post by sabrjay Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:25 am

My money says KO or another advanced collector snatches them up for upgrades and only a few make it back into the general populace.

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Post by psacollector Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:13 pm

When there are only 3 to 10 known for some of these cards and many of these are hidden in private collections, it is hard to measure which cards are most rare. The demand has to be much greater for the more popular players liek Wagner, Mathewson, Delahanty and Young though than a common or a lower tier Hall of Famer.
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Post by fisherboy7 Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:12 am

psacollector wrote:When there are only 3 to 10 known for some of these cards and many of these are hidden in private collections, it is hard to measure which cards are most rare. The demand has to be much greater for the more popular players liek Wagner, Mathewson, Delahanty and Young though than a common or a lower tier Hall of Famer.

Agreed Wes, it's not easy to determine which are most rare so this is pretty much a speculative thread. Would you concur that some E107's are rarer than others, or do you think it's uniform across the board?

I'm still debating whether the popular players are more scarce because of a stronger demand. Personally I've seen far more "high demand" Youngs than "low demand" Kelleys or Beckleys. But perhaps an explanation could be that the same cards are being recirculated back into the market time and time again because of the massive $ they bring in.

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Post by cccc Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:25 am

i recall seeing 3-5 unique youngs the last couple years...memory's psa5, petecld's sgc40, hal lewis' 40, another board member's psa3, and the only that got recycled was the rooky's sergio juanvaldezgarciawhateverhisnameis sgc10 with the back damage that was in sotheby's. correct me if i'm wrong oh ye FC's residential e107 expert Wes Smile.

i don't dare dream about a wagner but owning a matty or young would kick some serious ass! on second thought the matty is out of my league also and maybe even the young unless it's a real beater. i shoulda made a run at a real e107 young instead of a fake e97 b/w Sad
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Post by Bicem Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:30 pm

Scott B owns at least two more ungraded Youngs that he showed me about a year ago.
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Post by scott elkins Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:04 pm

Brockleman was definitely ahead of the times by hoarding all those E107's over the years! righton

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Post by sabrjay Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:06 pm

I tried to in the 80s but no one was selling. Wasn't even able to get a type card and I wanted a Delahanty real bad.

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Post by Square_Frame_Ramly Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:15 pm

on Net 54 B/S/T for $1,100 early last year, very nice looking SGC 30. The guy even told me after i agreed to buy it that he got 40 emails in 1 hour about the card and i was at my computer at the right time since my reply was 8 minutes after he posted it.

I bought the card and was contacted by a huge E107 collector from California, he owns 80 E107 cards. It took about 2-3 months to finally agree to a price and he needed the card. welll...i ended up making a 90% profit on the card. bananarama

I wonder if its worth even more now. frustrated


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Post by sabrjay Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:46 pm

Never worry about whether a card could have been sold for more. If you here happy with the sale price, then all is good. Worrying about making a few extra bucks just gives you gray hair and ulcers.

One of the things I did in the 80s that pissed off many dealers was that I priced my cards between wholesale and what most dealers sold their cards for. I always got a chuckle from the idiots that would tell that I was hurting thier business because I was undercutting their prices Twisted Evil They would also get pissed because I didn't offer "dealer prices". As I told my buddy at the front door, "I'm not your wholesaler." I set up at shows to sell cards to other collectors, not dealers.

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Post by Bicem Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:10 pm

Square_Frame_Ramly wrote:on Net 54 B/S/T for $1,100 early last year, very nice looking SGC 30. The guy even told me after i agreed to buy it that he got 40 emails in 1 hour about the card and i was at my computer at the right time since my reply was 8 minutes after he posted it.

I bought the card and was contacted by a huge E107 collector from California, he owns 80 E107 cards. It took about 2-3 months to finally agree to a price and he needed the card. welll...i ended up making a 90% profit on the card. bananarama

I wonder if its worth even more now. frustrated


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was the collector John Freund? He owns some of the e107's that are going to be in REA.
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Post by Square_Frame_Ramly Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:16 pm

That was Jonathan....i am surprised he is selling them.


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