Cobb (Tango) or Lowdermilk (Red Cross)

Since it appears the Cobb Tango and the Lowdermilk Red Cross have gone for approximately the same price I was curious which one would be your preference to own.

My choice is the Lowdermilk, premiere card with premiere back.

Lee

If we're talking about the specific Tango Eggs from Goodwin & Co. vs. the Red Cross from last night's REA, then my vote goes with the Lowdermilk. However, if it was a VG Tango Eggs Cobb vs. a VG Red Cross Lowdermilk, I believe I'd go with the Cobb.

Lowdy wins, even if they were the same condition. A premier card from a premier set with an incredibly rare back. Although it only went for $18k plus juice, I think we all agree that Pete got the steal of the auction with that card at that price.

That Tango Cobb is supposedly the only one to exist, it's exist was in question until recently.

Lee

Personally...in existing condition...it's no contest...that cobb is downright filthy...butt ugly...loudy wins!

If condition were comparable...I'd still go with Loudy as to me it's an iconic card of the hobby made 100 times more desirable by the red cross back...and I'm not just saying this because I now own it!

Lowdermilk by a landslide if I had to choose. Congratulations Pete.....

Rowdy Lowdy.

The Cobb would probably be a good flip for somebody but the Loudy is a keeper

for sure, Jim.

We're discussing two very rare cards, both of which are attractive. Given that, I have to go with the greater player. I love the Lowdermilk brown back, and I'm very happy for Pete for acquiring it, but I can't vote against Cobb in this situation. I mean, after all, this is Ty Cobb we're talking about. He was an a**hole by all accounts, admittedly, but he was also one of the five greatest ever to play the game (by my contention), a game that has inordinate meaning to me, as it does to everyone on this forum, presumably. Ultimately, I can't stray from that core virtue.

Just my opinion. Sorry, Pete. I still envy the heck out of ya.

Lucas...that's great...that's why liffe is interesting because we're all different!!! Personally...to fortify my argument...the cobb is one of my least favorite poses...pretty much beaten to a bloody pulp...that's strike 2 in my book! The loudy will have dual representation in my heart...it represents a revered card in the hobby that has historically shared company with some of the most coveted cards in the history of the hobby...ie t206 wags, magie, plank, 33 goudey lajoie...combined with the red cross back...as I decided to be a type collector after viewing the color pictures in the old sport americana price guides as a kid and I love rare backs!!!!!!

"live and let live!"

I have to agree with Lucas. I think the Lowdermilk is an awesome card, but it just doesn't fit with my collecting interests the way that the Cobb would.

Choosing between the two would be a nice problem to have!

Lowdy wins, even if they were the same condition. A premier card from a premier set with an incredibly rare back. Although it only went for $18k plus juice, I think we all agree that Pete got the steal of the auction with that card at that price.

That about sums it up for me. Beaucoup congrats Pete.

Right. Cobb was a great player, but the Tango Eggs set is very lightly regarded. A double rarity from a more serious set will pounce it, and indeed the Lowdermilk deservedly went for more. Unless interest in the Tango Eggs set grows exponentially, the Lowdy prevails!

I just looked at the cobb again and it is so freakin ugly! But to each their own...the image looks like a child drawn cartoon, it doesn't even look like cobb...it has beaucoup front damage...and as has been stated Tango's don't get a whole lot of respect...and I agree!

Yup...still Loudy in a mike tyson'esque ko early in the first round. I'd trade it for a cobb/cobb maybe!!!

Look how ugly it is below!

And for the almost $20K that cobb would cost...you could get collector grades of practically every other cobb card out there...Id rather have them!

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=18532&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1&seo=1916-Tango-Eggs-Ty-Cobb-SGC-1----%E2%80%9CArguably%2c-The-Only-Known-Copy-in-Existence%E2%80%9D!

Pete the biased one

Ya know, I just took another look at the Tango Egg Cobb. I gotta admit, you all have a point: Even if it was in good shape, that wouldn't be a particularly attractive card. And when you think of it in terms of how many other Cobbs you could get for the same price, I have to concede the point. I'd go with the Lowdermilk.

There are no other Lowdermilk cards out there. His t207 is it.

LucasRiley wrote:Ya know, I just took another look at the Tango Egg Cobb. I gotta admit, you all have a point: Even if it was in good shape, that wouldn't be a particularly attractive card. And when you think of it in terms of how many other Cobbs you could get for the same price, I have to concede the point. I'd go with the Lowdermilk.

Dude - you are giving up?

I was the sole other person who voted Cobb (Jamie appears to be right...I am a contrarian).

With the greatest of respect to Pete and his fabulous acquisition (in all honesty), I say the following. The case for the Cobb has several facets. First, as Lucas pointed out, we have Cobb vs. Lowdermilk. Huge advantage Cobb on the demand side of that factor alone. I liken T207 Lowdermilk to the E97 Sullivan (Boston) card. Mainly of interest to master set collectors and advanced type collectors. The toughness of the card has been known for decades, yet it is not priced into the heavens. Second, the Cobb is the only known example of that subject ever located in that set. The only one. This is not a question of X back or Y back - there is no other one...the ultimate rarity. The person possessing this card is believed to be the only person who can today complete the Tango Eggs set. In contrast, the 2010 REA featured three (3) T207 Lowdermilks (which is no doubt a partial explanation for why Pete was able to get such a great price on this one in 2011). Rarity advantage Cobb. Third, the Cobb is historically significant in that it provides some additional much-needed proof that Tango Eggs cards were indeed circulated and were a legitimate pre-war issue. It also stimulates collector interest in uncovering other Tango Eggs subjects not yet confirmed to exist.

Those are some of my thoughts in voting for the Cobb...and I ain't changing my vote!

A big negative for the Cobb and it's scarcity is that Tango Eggs have almost always been found in large groups. There is a much better chance of a few more TE Cobbs showing up than there is of one more T207 RC Lowdermilk appearing. If the next TE find is like others, it be the find that has a dozen or so Cobbs. So Rowdy Lowdy wins the rarity game.

I suspect at least one weird old collector has a TE Cobb and just wants to be left alone.

Is there another issue that has the same Cobb front?

Lee

I feel as if I've seen that Cobb front on multiple issues. Isn't it just the common leaning on bat with orange-yellow background pose?

bowlingshoeguy wrote:Is there another issue that has the same Cobb front?

Lee

E92, E101, E102, D303...what am I missing?

t216 I'd imagine...does a cobb exist in t216? I think you may have them all...E106?

Yep, E106 and T216 too. T216 has the E90-1 batting pose too I think