Strange familiarity?

We all know that the Old Mill overprints were a scam, thanks to some of our hobby experts and great investigating.

Doesn't this card look very much like the same thing? A simple overprint with unusually dark ink graded by SGC?

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=11039

During that mess, I was able to replicate (close enough) the Old Mill card in about a half hour or so. This one should not be that much more difficult. Maybe I'm way off base and these have been around since the dawn of time....I don't really know too much about them.

Just looking for opinions and thoughts?
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Sure looks suspicious definately similarities. I wonder if there is a history on the owner of these cards?

Lee

Kevin, I still say you need to do some Blomes Chocolates and Old Put overprints.

Jay

Kevin, those T213-3 overprints have been known for a long time, and come from period collections. I have owned several myself, they come in varying degrees of darkness of the actual overprint--so the fact that this one is dark doesn't concern me.

They would not be as easy as you think to replicate. They aren't simply boxes like the Old Mill ones were. If you look closely at the "bar" it is actually a "pointy trapazoid" as the bar was designed to conform to the design around which it was to fit.

As with any overprint there is a possiblity of fakes, but these would be much tougher than a D304 "traded" would be to replicate, with those you don't even have to worry about etting the font right on the new factory etc.

-Rhett

Thanks Rhett, that's why I asked. One can never stop learning.

Agreed, although a little tougher because of the angles it is still very possible to do.

Thanks again,

Kevin

not sure how far Chan's knowledge goes into other issues but I know he is reading this. Never really thought he would try another issue with the black bar but the thought is disturbing. 304 would probably be the easiest.
I think he will try to make a red one on the 206 Old Mill. Make no mistake he will try again.

I did see this and the 304s and it was touched on 54 but still thanks for the heads up Kevin. It needs to be known and talked about so collectors know what they are up against.

It took about 5 hours to make the 213 overprint. Without going into detail (never know who is watching), the font and angles of the box are not the largest obstacles....although it's "much tougher" than a straight box. Other portions of the process could be problematic but can be overcome with some patience.

Probably nothing to worry about, since I've been told there is no real reason to make these and they have little or no added premium, but it does give collectors one more thing to be cautious of or think about.

IMO we're past the days of being overly concerned about the simple alterations, since many advanced collectors can readily spot these. We should now start thinking way outside of the box. Again, just my opinion.

I haven't seen the D304, could someone post a pic please?
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Great info Kevin. Thanks

jay