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Post by Z-NUT Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:47 pm

Oldcardboard lists 188 known examples from this set.

When was the last addition to the checklist?

Is it reasonable to assume that there could be a T213-2 subject for every T206 subject?

Is it possible there are that many examples unknown in the mainstream hobby or I'm giving the set more credit than it deserves?

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Post by Z-NUT Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:55 pm

I've collected these in the past and I've been picking up examples here or there over the past few months. I'm just curious to know if any info on this set has changed in recent years?

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Post by Bosox Blair Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:59 pm

Z-NUT wrote:Oldcardboard lists 188 known examples from this set.

When was the last addition to the checklist?

Is it reasonable to assume that there could be a T213-2 subject for every T206 subject?

Is it possible there are that many examples unknown in the mainstream hobby or I'm giving the set more credit than it deserves?

I'm no expert, Adam. But I doubt all the T206 subjects are covered. My complete Red Sox team in T206 is 12 cards (10 different subjects)...my T212-2 Red Sox team I think has only 2 or 3 cards.
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Post by ullmandds Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:41 pm

There is most definitely not a 1-1 player ratio amongst these sets. No shaugnessy in t213 for example...there are maybe 1/2 the subjects in t213 compared to t206.
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Post by ullmandds Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:43 pm

I may have misunderstood u...r u asking if there is a corresponding t206 for every t213? I read the opposite question?
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Post by Z-NUT Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:02 pm

Yes

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Post by ullmandds Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:36 pm

I believe YES would be the answer to that question!!! But obviously with different team designations in some cases!
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Post by Z-NUT Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:23 pm

I'm sorry, I actually meant was there potentialy a T213-2 for every T206. But apparently if there is they haven't yet been discovered or were not produced. So 188 is about as far as T213-2 gets for now.

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Post by Z-NUT Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:24 pm

I wonder how many T213-2's are confirmed to exist, but have yet to be catalogued?

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Post by ullmandds Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:35 pm

My assumption would be that the checklist for t213-2 is complete as I know a few people have completed it. It is very difficult with all of the variations for sure!
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Post by nolemmings Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:55 pm

When Lew Lipset wrote volume 3 of his Encyclopedia 27 years ago, he identified 187 cards for the T213-2 set. Now there are 188, so one was added--I forget who. It seems unlikely that there are many more out there. BTW, there are only 97 or 98 different players in the set--the rest are different poses or team/caption changes.

Since these were issued over 1914-1916, several of the T206 players were no longer playing (Cy Young) and/or were dead (Addie Joss), so there would be no reason to try and include them. I always thought one or more of the T206 gurus would try and match up the T213s with the various series of T206 in efforts to re-construct sheets-- how many T213-2s appear in the 150 series only, for example-- but I do not believe that study has been undertaken.
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Post by oaks1912 Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:08 am

To answer the original question, I don't think that there is a corresponding T-213-2 for every T-206 subject or pose. There are 188 on the checklist, but three cards have not been confirmed to exist in the last 25 years. I started collecting them in the early 80's and have 185 different . The missing cards were not in the Fritsch, Barker,McPherson or Belcher collections, and none of those collectors had a copy of the missing 3 cards either. Since there are numerous caption variations, its always possible that a checklisting error occurred decades back, despite the fact that the early Louisiana specialists were meticulous at noting differences. I've left a slot in my album for each of the three cards, if they ever turn up. Collectors will have enough of a challenge getting to the 150 different mark, and we can only speculate how many Coupons were lost to tragedies like Katrina in the past. I think the checklists are pretty close to complete on all three types of Coupons. I believe the last addition to the checklist was a second example of Demmitt, Chicago

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Post by sabrjay Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:44 pm

Thanks Mark, your input is always greatly appreciated.

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Post by ullmandds Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:09 pm

That's awesome Mark...quite an accomplishment!
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Post by RCMcKenzie Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:24 am

This may be the toughest board I've ever signed up for. If I don't lose my pw I will post again. Is T213-2 complete at 185? Heritage recently had the Demmitt NY on Jersey, so I know that card is in the checklist. Is it complete at 185?

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Post by sabrjay Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:25 pm

obaks1912 is a very advanced, long time collector (goes back to the 70s) that I trust. If he says the list the list is 185 I would take his word for it until the 3 unverified cards are proven to exist.

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Post by Z-NUT Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:50 pm

When Mark Macrae speaks on cards, I definitely listen. yes T213 is such a cool  set. Thanks for all the info guys.
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Post by jbonie Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:55 pm

Hey Rob
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