Whats the pre-WWII card thats in the best condition.

I'm curious, does anyone know of any genuine really old cards out there that survive to this day in 9/10 or 10/10 condition? What about cards before WWI?

sure...they're out there! There are plenty of 9/10 T206's...ans plenty of nm cards from pre-wwI...pre 1900.

yep, they're called trimmed.

Here you go: http://cgi.ebay.com/WALTER-JOHNSON-1912-COLLIERS-NASA-MINT-10-ONLY-ONE-/220649997734?pt=US_Baseball Do they get any better???

This is the highest graded pre-WWII card I have owned:



Lee

1915 cracker jacks were redeemed in complete factory sets so there are definite legit 9s out there. there has been a few nice finds and sgc even graded a complete set with 8s and 9s (even 1 or 2 10s?) including a very high 8 or 9 jax if i remember correctly a few years back.

I think the Jax was 98 and the Cobb 96. The amazing thing about those cards is that they were 1914.

There are a lot of t206s in 9 and 10 holders. Many come from the Hall collection and were labeled as such. It is well known in the hobby that most of those cards are trimmed so when they resubmitted for grading PSA does not carry over the Hall Collection designation because of the stigma attached to that label.

From what I understand, most of the Hall collection originated from the Copeland collection which was notorious for the large number of trimmed cards in the collection. Mind you, the trimming was not hack job trimming, but micro trimming to take an Ex/Mt to Mint or oversized cards trimmed down. When I set up at big shows in the late 80s there were always people searching my t206s for oversized cards or looking to buy very low grade Goudeys to pulp for corner builds.

You never hear about corner rebuilds so I'm guessing the TPGs haven't figured out how to detect this guy's work yet.

The game cards (national and tom barker) are the most commonly found in extremely high grade (9's and 10's). Occasionally you will find a fan craze up there as well.

Bicem wrote:yep, they're called trimmed.

Trim this!

phlflyer1 wrote:

Bicem wrote:yep, they're called trimmed.

Trim this!

ha ha... the exception that proves the rule. I know the story on your greenies, now those ain't trimmed!

sabrjay wrote:I think the Jax was 98 and the Cobb 96. The amazing thing about those cards is that they were 1914.

There are a lot of t206s in 9 and 10 holders. Many come from the Hall collection and were labeled as such. It is well known in the hobby that most of those cards are trimmed so when they resubmitted for grading PSA does not carry over the Hall Collection designation because of the stigma attached to that label.

From what I understand, most of the Hall collection originated from the Copeland collection which was notorious for the large number of trimmed cards in the collection. Mind you, the trimming was not hack job trimming, but micro trimming to take an Ex/Mt to Mint or oversized cards trimmed down. When I set up at big shows in the late 80s there were always people searching my t206s for oversized cards or looking to buy very low grade Goudeys to pulp for corner builds.

You never hear about corner rebuilds so I'm guessing the TPGs haven't figured out how to detect this guy's work yet.

Do you mean the Harris collection Jay? I know those are generally assumed to be trimmed...

Yeah, that's it, Harris. Since I avoid t206s and PSA in general it's not something I have to worry about so the memory gets fuzzy quick.

The M116 Fletcher graded out as SGC 96. The pic is pre-slab. The other M116s only scored between 84 and 92
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