Buy the card or the holder?

Up on Mastro right now. Curious, any thoughts or comments about this one from the scan alone?

Kevin -
I'd be leery of any card pre 1960 that resided in a Psa-10 holder, and on top of that it's a Mantle to boot.

Appears to be a couple of printer spots and the upper right seems dog eared from the scan. Have seen this issue much so not too familiar wtih the set.

Lee

Holy bat eras, Batman.

Jay

sabrjay wrote:Holy bat eras, Batman.

Jay

Definately. Spock would be jealous. A five-figure disaster courtesy of the good folks at PSA.

Shannon

..and now the back. Just from the scan it tells much more IMO.

Upper right corner looks really bad and the lower right one looks hinky

Jay

You're always buying the holder with cards graded gem mint.

You're always buying the holder with cards graded gem mint.

Exactly.

Kevin,

Does the line on the top of the card, on the back scan, suggest the top has been trimmed? I thought I remembered that tip from reading one of your articles in the past.

Thanks,

AndyH

Does the line on the top of the card, on the back scan, suggest the top has been trimmed?

It's usually not a good sign. If it doesn't run along the entire edge it can be attributed to rail damage. That is if it stops at the end of the rail.

Check out the examples and easy to understand details here.

I'm not saying it's trimmed and it is almost impossible to tell from a scan (unless hacked), which this may be. Who knows?

Looks like there are some stray fibers on the top edge too . I sure would like to look at it for about five minutes.

Here are the ten above and below on the original submission. At least there weren't trimmed cards in that grouping.

Cert	Year	Brand	Player	Variety	Grade
7000799	1914	CRACKER JACK	EDDIE PLANK	N/A	7
7000800	1987	FLEER	MICHAEL JORDAN	N/A	8
7000801	1987	FLEER	MICHAEL JORDAN	N/A	9
7000802	1993	FINEST	GREG MADDUX	REFRACTOR	9
7000803	1957	TOPPS	BILL RUSSELL	N/A	7
7000804	1986	FLEER	MICHAEL JORDAN	N/A	8
7000805	1986	FLEER	MICHAEL JORDAN	N/A	9
7000806	1986	FLEER	MICHAEL JORDAN	N/A	9
7000807	1980	TOPPS	SCORING LEADER	BIRD,ERVING,JOHNSON	8
7000808	1954	TOPPS	HENRY AARON	N/A	8
7000809	1952	BOWMAN	MICKEY MANTLE	N/A	10
7000810	1961	FLEER	WILT CHAMBERLAIN	N/A	7
7000811	1982	TOPPS TRADED	CAL RIPKEN JR.	N/A	9
7000812	1982	TOPPS TRADED	CAL RIPKEN JR.	N/A	8OC
7000813	1982	TOPPS TRADED	CAL RIPKEN JR.	N/A	8OC
7000814	1982	DONRUSS	CAL RIPKEN JR.	N/A	8
7000815	1982	FLEER	CAL RIPKEN JR.	N/A	8
7000816	1982	FLEER	CAL RIPKEN JR.	N/A	9
7000817	1982	TOPPS	ORIOLES FUTURE STARS	BONNER/RIPKEN/SCHNEIDER	9OC
7000818	1982	TOPPS	ORIOLES FUTURE STARS	BONNER/RIPKEN/SCHNEIDER	9
7000819	1982	TOPPS	ORIOLES FUTURE STARS	BONNER/RIPKEN/SCHNEIDER	9

yawie99 wrote:You're always buying the holder with cards graded gem mint.

Nice line, makes sense.

Holy c-rap. I'm completely ignorant on these things and even I could pick out the bat ears. Wow. The difference between me and a lot of you guys is that I may not have noticed them if I were just looking through the catalog. I need someone to call it out here, but then I can often see the problem.

J