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Post by ItsOnlyGil Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:40 pm

My first choice is:
Most hit by batted ball, by position (except catcher), mainly pitcher - but some outfielders come to mind.
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Post by Square_Frame_Ramly Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:01 pm

Most in-the-park Homeruns....

A little trivia, can anyone guess what the strangest in-the-park Homerun would be. If no one guesses i will post answer but this may be easy. (and NO googleing)

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Post by sabrjay Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:28 pm

There was an IPHR in the 19c where the ball only traveled a few feet. It had rained that day and the ball got lost in the mud around home plate.

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Post by Square_Frame_Ramly Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:44 pm

Bingo...Jay got it, i thought he would know that.

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Post by hanksta Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:22 pm

I would like to see

HR*
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Post by sabrjay Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:39 pm

If you are going to give HR*, then you have to * everything that Clemens, Petitte and just about every other pitcher did since about 1997
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Post by fisherboy7 Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:34 pm

Now that Craig Biggio has his 3000 hits, he has one more record to break before his illustrious 20-year career comes to an end. Biggio is 2 HBP's away from breaking Hughie Jennings' all time record.

Most career hit by pitches:

Hugh Jennings - 287
Craig Biggio - 285
Tommy Tucker - 272
Don Baylor - 267

He's on the DL right now, but I'm sure he'll come back and get it done. Maybe you guys will get a kick out of this website.
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Post by cccc Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:36 pm

i would like to witness back-to-back-to-back no hitters...
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Post by sabrjay Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:28 pm

I wanna see records kept for one-eyed, left handed, albino, midget Eskimos from Zimbawe.

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Post by glenv Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:02 pm

I'd like to see stats on the pitchers no-decisions. How many more wins/loses would they have had if the game ended when they came out. With hardly any pitchers completing games anymore, the win/lose records don't really tell the whole story...

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Post by ItsOnlyGil Mon May 05, 2008 1:48 am

Square_Frame_Ramly wrote:Most in-the-park Homeruns....


Mark


Mark, the e107 Leach you just picked up is a player who played on the same team as Honus Wagner much of his career, and beat him in lifetime inside-the-park homeruns. He also beat Cobb. See these sites for more info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside-the-park_home_run

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/recbooks/rb_isphr.shtml

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Post by arandy Fri May 09, 2008 2:06 am

-Most ejections in a season (for 1 person). This could be a manager or player.

-Most water coolers knocked over by a single player in a season. angry (Maybe after being ejected!)

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Post by sabrjay Fri May 09, 2008 3:14 am

Earl Weaver used to hold the record most ejections until last year when Billy Cox finally passed him. No clue which player has the record.

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Post by ItsOnlyGil Fri May 09, 2008 1:08 pm

No clue here for season record either. But I'd guess Leo the Lip, or Muggsy.
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Post by arandy Fri May 09, 2008 9:53 pm

There's a rumor that Muggsy (Mcgraw) purposely got ejected so he could go to the race track and bet.
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Post by ItsOnlyGil Sat May 10, 2008 3:22 am

Don't discount the Lip!

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The Dodgers hadn't won a pennant in over 20 years until Leo won in '41 and the Giants hadn't won in 14 years until his Giants won in '51 with Bobby Thompson's Shot Heard 'Round the World.

And he sure was cocky and arrogant (as well as competent).


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Post by ItsOnlyGil Sat May 10, 2008 4:01 am

You see arandy? how easy it is to get me a-started?

Now Riddle me this:

Leo Durocher's mentoring of Willie Mays is one of the great legacies of our sport. Yet when it became time to bring Jackie Robinson into the game, baseball saw fit to suspend Mr. Durocher for that (1947) year. Now although exactly what he was suspended for was never clearly defined, I do not think that anyone would claim that he was innocent of any of it (what?).
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Post by arandy Sat May 10, 2008 11:33 am

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... No Response!!! scratch

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Post by TheRiddler Tue May 13, 2008 12:12 am

It seems to me. iog, that the mentoring of Mays took place after Robinson's entry into baseball; and therefore can not be cited as evidence of LeoD's competence. And even if the mentoring of Mays did predate Robinson's MLB requirements, they were vastly different situations. Specifically Mays got off to a real slow start and was giving up on himself. Leo did keep him in there, he homered off Spahn and things began to turn around for Mays. But Leo was not alone in this. There was a great body of baseball expertise and talent outside of MLB which was a source of strength in supplement and often independent of what was available through organized baseball.

In Robinson's case however, an entirely different situation presented itself. Jackie came up after a single season of tearing up triple A ball. Immediately prior to that season he was in the military, where among other things, he stood for a Court Martial charged with insubordination, and beat it. Clearly a delicate balance needed to be maintained here.

I ask you, iog, what is there in Leo's history that indicates that he would be a calming influence in such a polarizing environment? Certainly Rickey's choice to draw upon the man he trained as his Sunday manager, Shotten (or as newspaperman Dick Young called him KOBS: kind old Bert Shotten) would diffuse most explosive situations reliably. Mr. Durocher was himself an explosive situation.

In the final analysis, the approach used was successful. LeoD was a resourceful individual. It could be that he would have accomplished the objectives of 1947 in his own way as well. But I believe that Branch Rickey had greater confidence in the man who he had personally trained.
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Post by ItsOnlyGil Sat May 24, 2008 7:37 pm

I'd like to see on base percentages calculated on the basis of how many times a player got on base.
That sounds simple, but it appears that it is not.
My thinking is a HR does not put you on base, but a fielding error does.

So does everything else which before it happened = you were not on base, but
Since it happened = you are on base (unless it created an out - such as a fielder's choice, batted ball hit the runner, etc.).

I guess this is crazy, or they would do it. 🥚
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Post by sabrjay Sat May 24, 2008 7:54 pm

You are taking it a little too literally. Technically, when you hit a HR you are "on base". You have to be on 1B before you can advance to 2B, etc. HBP should be included, but I think current stat does not. I know the stat committee of SABR has been pushing for a long time to get HBP included in OBA. Errors shoudl not be counted as the hitter had nothign to do with getting on base. If the fielder had done his job, he wouldn't have and should not be rewarded for it.

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Post by ItsOnlyGil Sat May 24, 2008 8:29 pm

I was under the impression that HBP had been included in current calculations.

I believe that errors should be included, because some batters will bunt, hit grounders or otherwise put the ball in play in such a way that errors are more likely than others. This is deliberate, and they take advantage of the odds.

The inclusion of home runs is advantageous, or not, depending on your analysis objective.
If you seek to identify successful batting opportunities, it should be included.
However, if you are looking for the production of baserunning opportunities, it should not be included.
From a purists perspective, a HR is not getting on base.

A lawyer will tell me "you are taking it too literally" when he wants me to ignore what is written.
And he will ask me "can't you read?" when he does not want me to ignore what is written.
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Post by sabrjay Sat May 24, 2008 8:41 pm

I keep getting told to push any key but I can't find the any key scratch

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