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Post by the-illini on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:30 pm

well if it does sell that high, I would be pretty happy because that would mean the m101-6's are finally being recognized for their scarcity and appeal.

I would also be disappointed for the same reason, as I would likely get priced out of the market for them.
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Post by nolemmings on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:32 pm

Has that Cobb been auctioned or is it in an upcoming auction? It was for sale at the national, but they wanted 30k for it, which was ridiculous IMO.

Jeez I guess. About 5-6 times too high. Chris was the Hornsby available again this year at the National? I would think that card is worth at least as much as the Cobb, since it has an arguable rookie card status and a unique pose of a pretty fantastic player.
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Post by the-illini on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:37 pm

The Hornsby wasnt there Todd. I believe the seller of the Hornsby wanted 3k at last years national and it ended up selling for 1800. It was ungraded but in poor condition with a pinhole and back writing I believe. In hindsight it wasn't a bad price.

I saw the Cobb in the seller's case and immediately wanted it - it is beautiful in person - I thought he said 3k for it and I was getting ready to buy it and my dad corrected me and said "add a zero Chris". I was shocked. 10k would have been high. The entire REA lot it came from cost 11k.

I think the seller planned to auction it all along unless someone wanted to pay a ridiculous total for it.
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Post by BigGuy219 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:43 pm

I see this sold on eBay back in 2007.



Nice looking cards.
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Post by ullmandds on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:12 pm

what sold on ebay back in 07? the cobb...or the hornsby?
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Post by BigGuy219 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:23 pm

McGraw, Pete.
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Post by the-illini on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:26 pm

I have the McGraw - oddly I have seen it for sale probably 4 or 5 separate times. Not sure if it was 1-2 cards being recycled or if there are a few more of him out there than of other players.
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Post by ullmandds on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:34 pm

I can't seem to view the SGC pop report...but the psa site only lists 1 of any given card...except for ruth(2)...and many others(0).
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Post by the-illini on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:36 pm

ullmandds wrote:I can't seem to view the SGC pop report...but the psa site only lists 1 of any given card...except for ruth(2)...and many others(0).

The cards are certainly rare, but I wouldn't go by the Pop reports. A majority of the examples I have seen have been ungraded.
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Post by ullmandds on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:47 pm

where can I go????????
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Post by nolemmings on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:11 pm

Pete, the holders and thus grading is relatively new on m101-6. While the cards are printed on thick photographic paper more than card stock per se, they still are pretty sturdy. Add to the fact that most are found in the G-EX range, and that the slabs are IMO gaudy huge, and there's a reason or two that many collectors prefer them raw.

Chris, I have seen multiples of all my HOFers except Speaker (and maybe Faber), as well as duplicate Holkes, Burns, Wingo and Wambsganss. I do not own but also have seen multiple Cicotte and Collins, and Weaver examples, and I'm sure there are more that just don't come to mind. McGraw leads the way, although nothing comes close to the number of Ruths I have seen.
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Post by ullmandds on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:24 pm

thanks Todd. do you know of anyone collecting this set...or anyone with large group of them? Besides u?!?!?!
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Post by nolemmings on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:35 pm

I don't have very many. Ja.y Mi.ller had several dozen I believe, but sold them all a little more than a year ago. I think Rich.ard Mas.son was the winner of the large graded lot at last year's National, but can't say for sure because I was too jealous and heartbroke to attend the live auction.
I know of another collector who focuses on just the HOFers, but believe he would prefer to stay anonymous. Tim Ne.wcomb has several also.


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Post by the-illini on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:50 pm

Pete,

I guess you could add me to the list of people who collect the set - I buy any I can find, but I don't do so with set completion in mind, as I think that would be an impossible task without exceedingly deep pockets. Even then, it would be a challenge to find all of the cards - even the National auction last year was missing at least a dozen I believe.

I have a whopping six examples from the set, 4 HOFers and two commons. I got lucky and found two this year - Max Carey and Owen Bush - in a little-known auction. Outside of this Cobb and the Ruth in Mile High, that is all I have seen for sale.

You see Ruth for sale more than any other player in the set, and its not even close. Obviously he was the most popular player of the time, but that doesn't explain the difficulty of some of the other HOFers and major stars, like Cobb and Joe Jackson. I can't recall ever seeing a Jackson for sale. If a Ruth sold for 44k, as one did in Mile High - I could see a Jackson easily breaking 50k.

If you have questions on this set, Todd is probably the best person to ask - he knows as much about these as anyone I have talked to about them.

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Post by BigGuy219 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:55 pm

Would either of you feel comfortable giving a ballpark estimate on a M101-6 McGraw?
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Post by ullmandds on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:56 pm

i appreciate the info guys! I would presume many are hidden away...ungraded...in hobby veterans' collections.

I'm not a fan of large...oversided slabs in general as they are a Pain in the A$$ to store...but I doubt I will break ruth out!

Definitely my new...FAVORITE...card!!!!!
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Post by jbonie on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:00 pm

WOW... over the Lowdermilk? That's quite an assertion. I still prefer the Lowdy... but I'm glad you're excited about the card!
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Post by the-illini on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:03 pm

BigGuy219 wrote:Would either of you feel comfortable giving a ballpark estimate on a M101-6 McGraw?

Really depends on the condition - do you have a scan?

Unless it is above VG, I probably wouldn't pay more than 500 for one, tops.

If you are interested in mine, I would remind you that a Ruth from this set went for 44k and that any HOFer is worth at least 2500. Smile
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Post by terjung on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:16 pm

I like your M101-6 Ruth over the Lowdermilk too.

RM was the winner of the M101-6 lot at the live auction last year. He got them for a complete steal.

I was bidding in REA for that lot, but stopped short.
I valued the Cobb between $5000 and $7500, fwiw.

The winner made a killing on it. The E97 Keeler graded at a 4 or something like that and it was noted in REA as possibly being trimmed. That card alone pops the value of the lot a ton.
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Post by ullmandds on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:24 pm

REA usually has tons of ungraded lots...and remains one of the few auction houses...if not the only one... where u can pick up a sizable lot...and make a relatively predictable profit re-selling them.
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Post by nolemmings on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:47 pm

Chris, I'd price a McGraw between $400-$600, unless it grades higher than VG-EX. If so that's actually quite reasonable, but since these come up so infrequently, you may easily see two or more go to the mat in a bidding war.

Chris B., I didn't meant to leave you off the list of m101-6 collectors--I thought it was a given. Pete, if you search m101-6 on the Net54, you'll see that a few other familiar names are or were engaged in the folly of chasing this set. When fewer than a handful come up each year (generally), you can see why it get's discouraging. Brian, I didn't know you were among us--please cease immediately and re-focus on E107, although if any set collector would know the value of patience, it would be you.

I scanned a bunch of mine on this site a few years ago in the virtual sets and checklist forum, if anyone is interested.
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Post by the-illini on Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:04 pm

Todd, I just checked out the virtual set you have your cards posted on - you have some great ones - love the Sisler!!!

I have added my M101-6 cards to the post if anyone would like to check them out
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Post by ullmandds on Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:06 pm

Thanks Todd...I DID see the old net54 thread(s) while searching the web for any info on these cards...there isn't much!!!!!
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Post by the-illini on Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:28 pm

"has any info been deduced regarding ones with FM copyright and those without?"

Pete I brought your question over to this thread from the virtual set thread as I thought more eyes might see it here - hope you don't mind.

As to the question, I don't think there has ever been any type of differentiation made between cards with or without the copyright. I personally don't know of any difference.

I know these cards used to be called a Sporting News issue - I see them referred to now with just Felix Mendelsohn as the issuer, but I honestly don't know who or where they truly were made for.
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Post by BigGuy219 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:44 pm

Hmm. Well if the two experts here seem to think the McGraw is 'about' $500 then I will declare myself publicly as being in the market for an M101-6 McGraw!

Pete, on second thought, don't do the set. Razz
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