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The 300 Win Club

Post by LucasRiley on Mon May 14, 2012 4:53 pm

I was scanning the list of active wins leaders recently:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/W_active.shtml

Am I crazy, or are there no particularly viable candidates for the next 300-game winner? I don't believe for a second that either Moyer or Pettitte is gonna make it, and I think Halladay and Hudson are gettin' too far up there in age, as well. Once you get past that, the likely suspects dry up fast. I give CC a decent shot if he doesn't suffer Big Man Breakdown, particularly since he pitches for the Yankees. Beyond that... Does anyone seem like a strong contender? Am I missing someone?

I mean, I'm sure someone will get there again someday, but I also think we might not have appreciated it enough when Maddux, Glavine, and Randy Johnson were all reaching the milestone relatively close together. There could be quite a gap before we get to see it happen again.
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Re: The 300 Win Club

Post by jbonie on Mon May 14, 2012 5:14 pm

Stephen Strasburg Smile
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Re: The 300 Win Club

Post by sabrjay on Mon May 14, 2012 5:22 pm

Yeah, there isn't much on the horizon. Sabathia needs to stay healthy and he might get there. Pettitte needs 12 wins/yr for 5 years to get to 300. I don't see that happening. The most wins for anyone under 30 is Verlander with 111 at age 29. For the under 25 crowd it's even worse with Clayton Kershaw at 49 wins at age 24.

I don't think most people realize just how great a pitcher Maddux was. Even Clemens with steroids. It's possible he might have caught Matty and Alexander if he didn't skip the early part of the season at the end of his career.

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Re: The 300 Win Club

Post by cccc on Mon May 14, 2012 5:26 pm

i'm sticking to my guns a couple years back when i said felix hernandez and kershaw will get there...although felix is really hampered from seattle's ineptitude atm.
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Re: The 300 Win Club

Post by jbonie on Mon May 14, 2012 5:28 pm

sabrjay wrote:

I don't think most people realize just how great a pitcher Maddux was.

I completely agree. It's because he didn't have a bigtime fastball. But he was a master of his craft.
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Re: The 300 Win Club

Post by LucasRiley on Mon May 14, 2012 5:30 pm

jbonie wrote:Stephen Strasburg Smile

I certainly hope so! It would also be nice if an Oriole pulled it off.
(Yeah, that'll happen. Rolling Eyes )
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Re: The 300 Win Club

Post by LucasRiley on Mon May 14, 2012 5:32 pm

Maddux was a joy to watch. I think I own exactly three cards issued after 1967, and his rookie card is one of them. I believe the other two are the RC's for Johnson and Glavine.
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Re: The 300 Win Club

Post by LucasRiley on Wed May 16, 2012 8:53 pm

Just a quick follow-up: The current gap between 300-game winners (between Randy Johnson and whoever comes next) stands at 2 years, 11 months, and 14 days (as of 5/16/2012 and including the 2012 leap year), and counting. That's only the 12th longest gap ever (i.e., 24 guys who got their 300th win, followed by 24 gaps until the next one). Squarely in the middle of the pack. However, in 17 days it will become the 11th longest (passing the gap from Maddux to Glavine). And unless someone does it in the next five years (not a chance), this will become the 6th longest. And if no one does it in the next ten years (seems real possible), it becomes the 4th longest. After that, it's gotta get to 14, 16, and 18 years to climb the charts. Not gonna speculate on that.

All-time record? 20 years and 22 days between Lefty Grove (July of '41) and Warren Spahn (August of '61). Shortest? A mere 2 months and 2 days between Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro in '85, beating the gap between Tim Keefe and Mickey Welch back in 1890 by 5 days.

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Re: The 300 Win Club

Post by cccc on Wed May 16, 2012 9:14 pm

as pitching become more regimented (pitch count, limiting innings) and pitchers not going as deep in games...pitchers could potentially lose out on picking up 2-3 extra wins/year that a pitcher in another era would've picked up. also with the advent of more advanced metrics to measure how effective a pitcher is there is less emphasis on the "W", i say eventually the 300 club will be stagnant and we'll have a bunch of 200 game winners making the HOF.

personally i'm excited for more development on which school of thought will prevail...the japan/nolan ryan approach where you throw and throw and throw some more or the new school where you try to preserve an arm.
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