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Do you think the A.W.A. was a misprint or another legit issue?

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Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by r337man on Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:10 pm

These do not belong to me but a very good friend of mine who I haven't seen in a long time. He is a long time collector who enjoyed the hobby before 3rd party grading cancered it. It was great to hear from him! And very kind of him to allow me to share these gems with you. Enjoy the eye candy!


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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by pro9 on Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:16 pm

Wow, what a collection! Am I mistaken or are no two backs shown the same? How many different e222 backs are there?

edited to add: I think I see one dupe.

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Post by Abravefan11 on Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:34 pm

pro9 wrote: How many different e222 backs are there?

Not counting color variations there are 7 different back designs know. Six different A.W.H. backs and one A.W.A. Six of the seven are in this collection. Also this collection has 10 of the 12 known subjects. (Ison and Guiheen are missing.)

Prior to these two A.W.A. backs there was only one known. When I wrote an article on this set for OC last year I surmised that the A.W.A. was more than likely a type set error. These two examples definitely cast doubt on that but I can't say for sure. When I have time later I will go through my notes and post more information on another candy maker that may have been A.W.A.
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by bowlingshoeguy on Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:59 pm

I seriously don't know how to vote on this. Why would there be so many different backs from the same company?

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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by Abravefan11 on Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:08 pm

bowlingshoeguy wrote:Why would there be so many different backs from the same company?

Because they were not printed by a large company like American Lithograph but two brothers running a small print job shop out of the family home.
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by Bicem on Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:18 pm

wow.
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by 3-2-count on Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:56 pm

Bicem wrote:wow.

I'll second that...... Wow!!
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by ValKehl on Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:21 am

As I am sitting at my PC reading today's posts on Full Count and the other board, I felt like I was falling asleep (it's been a long day) until I got to this thread - I still hadn't fully awakened until I got to Tim's post in which he mentioned the two previously unknown A.W.A. examples pictured above, as I hadn't even noticed them initially! Now that I am fully awake, I say WOW + 2!!

I think it would be neat if we can show all 12 known players in this thread - here's my Guiheen (along with Hooker, who just happens to be in the same scan) - Can anyone add the Ison?
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by ValKehl on Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:29 am

BTW, the other known A.W.A. back is also a McCauley card, however, the color on the front of the card is different - it's blue.
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by ValKehl on Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:45 am

Hey Dan - Does your friend also collect WaJo cards? If so, please let him know that I have some scarce ones that I just might be willing to part with for some E222s! flaglol
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by sabrjay on Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:31 pm

Great group of cards. Thanks for sharing them with us.

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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by r337man on Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:21 pm

He is primarily a set collector Val, I don't think he individually collects Walter. Thanks for the scans. I think the only one I own may be Ison, I have to dig out my hacked up type card.
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by ullmandds on Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:02 am

That's awesome to see such a grouping of AWH/AWA caramels!!!!! I've always wanted one for my type collection.

I can't remember the player...but there's a pose of him fielding a fly and you can see a few fans in the background...I love it...and WANT ONE!!!!!!

Awesome stuff...if he has those...he must have an amazing collection!!!!!!!
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by pro9 on Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:37 am

Pete, I think you are thinking of a t209.

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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by fisherboy7 on Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:07 am

There are no action poses in E222. My guess is that Pete's thinking of the D380 Clement Osborne.



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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by pro9 on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:17 pm

Tim, can you share some more e222 knowledge. Are the backs consistent with the player and/or color on the front?

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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by ullmandds on Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:34 pm

oops...my bad!!!!! But that's the one...d380 osborn...thanks for the correction. That's 2 types I need!
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by canjond on Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:24 pm

Unbelievable!
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by ullmandds on Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:16 pm

so much for leon having the only awa back? Just goes to show...there are likely very few...if any "one of a kind" cards!!!
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by sabrjay on Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:45 pm

Spoken like someone who might own one Razz

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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by Abravefan11 on Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:02 pm

While I was researching the set I looked for a candy maker with the initials A.W.A. that was in business at the time the set was issued. Going through the Richmond city directories I came across one name that could be it, Andrew Antoni. He was a candy maker with a shop on 9th street. The last year he had a business listing in the city directory was 1909. According to the 1910 U.S. census which was taken in April he was retired which explained his not being in the 1910 city directory. Once I had the name I set out to determine what Mr. Antoniís middle initial was. I saw his name on census records, insurance papers, property deeds, his marriage license and his death certificate and a middle name or initial was never used on any of them. I ended up at the cemetery where he was buried thinking it may be on his headstone but his grave didnít have a name on the marker. Itís very possible the he didnít have a middle name but if he did I wasnít able to determine it.

So without the middle initial I looked at the timeline of the sets issue and Mr. Antoniís retirement. The earliest possible creation date is marked by the issue of T206ís with Hindu cigarettes. This was the first time that ATC had produced cards of players from the Southern Leagues including the Virginia State League. It was their intention to print all 48 southern league subjects at this time but a limited print run reduced the number issued to 34. There are a total of twelve VSL players in the T206 set but only eight were printed in the limited Hindu run. These are the eight T206 images used for the E222 set. The first Hindu advertisements to include southern league subjects were run from mid August 1909 until the first week of September and give us an earliest issue time for the E222ís. I donít know if Mr. Antoni was still in business this late in 1909 or if he had already retired. But given only one A.W.A. was known at the time I wrote the article I thought it more likely to be a typeset error than a second company but it could be possible it was Andrew Antoni.

Here is a map showing the proximity of the two candy makers and Fulton Press. The markers left to right are Andrew Antoniís shop, Arthur W. Havens shop, and Fulton Press.



The now three known A.W.A.ís all have different color fronts, but the same color backs. The Ryan is only the third of this subject that I am aware of. One is in a private collection and the other is in the Burdick collection. I plan to check with the collector that owns the Ryan as I believe this card may have the A.W.H. counterpart back to the A.W.A.




As previously stated A.W.H.ís are known with six different backs not including different colors. The A.W.A. backs have only been found with one design which has an A.W.H. counterpart.



Of the cards I have seen with the A.W.A. back and itís A.W.H. counterpart, they all have the same print flaw. The flower in the bottom left border corner only has one dot and not two. The lower dot is missing from all I have seen. Other backs using the same design with a different font in the text show both dots. This is a possible indication that the A.W.A. and the counterpart A.W.H. backs were printed at the same time.



Iím uncertain if the A.W.A. back was Andrew Antoni or a typeset mistake. I believe if a card surfaces with an A.W.A. back with one of the other back designs or color it would show the typeset was intentional. I plan to do further research and hope to find a date when Mr. Antoni sold his business which could be a determining factor in whether he could have been involved or not. Itís a fascinating set and a great group of cards in the OP.
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by terjung on Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:43 pm

Wow! Great info, Tim!
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by ullmandds on Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:11 pm

great info Tim...thanks!!!!!

Jay...I'm sure...someday another rowdy red cross loudy will surface...just a matter of time!!!!
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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by sabrjay on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:02 pm

Yup, there are two Blackburne's now. So it's just a matter of time.

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Re: Wanted to share some AWH and AWA Caramels

Post by ullmandds on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:09 pm

I heard ol' lena was a double print?!?!
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