t205s a subset of t206s?

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t205s a subset of t206s?

Post by sabrjay on Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:06 pm

Pup6913 wrote: I believe T205's were printed at the end of the T206 run during
the 350-460 series and that they may have been a subset. I dont think
that there were 400 cards. Why did the T206s have 524 cards but only
had 460 series???? T206's had no 400 series and I believe T205's may
have been run during that time and then the last 460 series run of
T206's were already printed but just had the backs labeled.

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to discussion and opinions on this

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Re: t205s a subset of t206s?

Post by sabrjay on Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:18 pm

I don't think this is the case. You can't use the 524 for the t206 set because that is the number that includes all the variations that are acknowledged as being part of the set. I don't think they recognized team changes as part of the set count. ATC always used the term "design" instead of "players" when talking about how many cards were in a set. Changing the team name or ink color wouldn't be considered a major design change.

The biggest thing against t205s being a sub set of t206s is why would they make such a radical design change? Not only is the front completely redesigned but the back now has bio info.

I'm not sure what the new consensus is for the latest date of issue for t206s but if anything they basically reset the baseball card. At 450+ cards in the set, they probably felt that set was getting too big to far people to finish and creating a whole new set would generate new interest in their products.

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Re: t205s a subset of t206s?

Post by Pup6913 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:11 am

We know that the 460 series was printed the same time frame that the T205's were produced. Maybe they are not a subset but just a series # for the ATC. Coupons were printed in 1910ish and are considered by some to be T206's when in fact they are their own set(JMO). Many argue that the font change and card stock of the 1913 Type 2's and 3's indicate that they are different cards. The break-up of the ATC in early 1911 set forth the changes in many cards and may be able to explain the differences.

The t202's, T330-2, and the T205's all have the same design fronts on them with little differences. All T202's have Bios and so do T205's with the exception of stats on some, and the T330-2's have an advertisement for an art stamp book.


Either way there are still way more than 460 T206's in the set. Even if you took out the illegitimate variations like Demmit, Murray, Snodgrass, and so on. And i think the 400 series # ties into printing timeline with the T206's
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Re: t205s a subset of t206s?

Post by nolemmings on Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:43 am

I'm with Jay on this one, although I don't collect either set. Way too different a design to be subset. Also, ATC wasn't ordered dissolved until Decmeber '11 and really wasn't dissolved until 1912 or later.

I am puzzled though. Do all cig brands in t206 carry 524 cards? I thought Southern Leaguers, for example, were only found in Hindu, Old Mill and Piedmont.
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Re: t205s a subset of t206s?

Post by bowlingshoeguy on Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:12 am

Piedmont is the only back that carries ever variation.

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Re: t205s a subset of t206s?

Post by sabrjay on Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:43 am

It has every player, but not every variation as Demmitt and O'Hara are Polar Bear only cards.

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Re: t205s a subset of t206s?

Post by bowlingshoeguy on Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:44 pm

I stand corrected.

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Re: t205s a subset of t206s?

Post by bowlingshoeguy on Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:47 pm

My guess on the other T205s was that the made the sheets for the cards printed and pulled the plug before the rest could be designed and printed.

As far as the T206s, is there any way that you can actually come up with 460 subjects? Heck the 150 series isn't even 150 cards.


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