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Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:33 am

Got this card from a guy as part of a collection that I bought recently. This card was not mentioned in the ad but rather was just stuck in the box w/a group of other cards (good cards mind you but still, no mention in the ad).

I recently took it to my local card shop to check out the authenticity and the owner said everything looked legit to him. I can't help but think otherwise.

Any help is appreciated.

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by cccc on Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:06 am

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:07 am

cccc wrote:reprint

It doesn't say reprint anywhere. How can you tell? What can I do to check?? The card shop owner said he thought it was legit!! Help

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by fisherboy7 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:13 am

Quan is correct, definitely a reprint. How can you tell? Well, the coloring is way, way off. Also, the printing on the back should be black not green. Easiest way to illustrate this is to compare with a legit Delong Gehrig:


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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:37 am

Ugh. This is ... disappointing to say the least. Thanks guys for helping out. Excuse me while I cry myself to sleep now!

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by sabrjay on Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:34 pm

yup, even with blurry morning vision I can tell that's a reprint. I collect Delongs so it's pretty easy for me to spot reprints and fakes.

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Post by fisherboy7 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:43 pm

It's not easy finding out that your card is a reprint. On the bright side, it doesn't sound like you had alot of $ tied up into that particular card (I could be wrong though). Chalk it up to a learning experience. Next time, you know you're welcome to consult us about a potential vintage card purchase before shelling out the cash, so you know you're safe. Before too long, you'll learn enough about the different sets to have a pretty good idea yourself.

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:47 pm

I am very happy I found this site, that's for sure. I will 100% use this forum as a reference point before making any purchases in the future.

I thank you guys for all of your help!!

Can I post a link to an auction site (not ebay) where a seller is selling a number of older cards, most going for pretty cheap? You guys can tell me if they're legit?

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Post by fisherboy7 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:34 pm

Feel free to run anything by us, we're happy to help.

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:40 pm

Thanks, didn't know the rules on posting links. Here are the older cards he has listed now. I'm very curious about these. I emailed him and asked why/how he would list them with no reserve and have yet to receive a response:

http://auction.sportsbuy.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=963267040

http://auction.sportsbuy.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=963532559

http://auction.sportsbuy.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=963532739

http://auction.sportsbuy.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=963584241

http://auction.sportsbuy.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=963668738

http://auction.sportsbuy.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=963800166

http://auction.sportsbuy.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=963792768

http://auction.sportsbuy.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=963792951

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by fisherboy7 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:46 pm

There are no rules against posting links so feel free. With that said, I would stay far, far away from all of that stuff you posted from that site (although the 60's and 70's cards look ok). The Cobbs and Ruths and Mantles....all fake.

One rule of thumb that you often hear in vintage collecting....if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.


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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by sabrjay on Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:48 pm

Those are all reprints. That is why they are so cheap. In this hobby, a good rule of them is if it is selling cheap there is a good reason for it. You also need to check that cards that are price appropriately because there are scam artists that rely on the proper price to get you to lower your gaurd and not check out the card so closely.

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:49 pm

That is literally word for word what I said in the email. I was afraid to bid on any of them as I was always taught if it looked too good to be true it probably was.

I have emailed the site letting them know that it looks like he's attempting to sell reprints/fakes are legit cards. Hopefully they take some sort of action.

Thanks again and I will certainly come here before making any purchases in the future!!

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:53 pm

I would assume that is why he puts the "buy it now" price so high, that way it makes it a little more believable that it's a legit card, then he does not put a 'reserve' price on it and lets people bid away.

Very discouraging for someone like me that is just now starting to get back into collecting. I know there are millions of people out there looking to scam a buck but ... sigh ... its just sad!

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by Square_Frame_Ramly on Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:53 pm

They won't take action because their cut of the sale will be nothing.



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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:22 pm

How about these? Anything worthwhile?

http://sports.ha.com/common/search_results.php?N=55+793+794+1577+4294956845

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by Square_Frame_Ramly on Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:28 pm

Heritage auctions would be a safe bet that all are real...and the graded ones are definitely real.

If you are looking to spend the cash on cards i would start by only buying graded cards.


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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:22 pm

The seller wrote me back today with the following (I purchased another card or two off of them via auction a while back):

"These cards that you purchased have been in my family for many many
years.After my Grandmother died we found most of them in an old shoe box
in her closet,as we were cleaning and settling her estate.The Mickey
Mantle and Willie Mays cards and the other cards from the 1950's and
'60's belonged to my Dad and the economy around here is still bad so I
have to sell them in order to pay the bills.If you still have questions
about these cards you can always have Beckett Grading Services look at
them,and attach their findings with an Email to me."

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Post by sabrjay on Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:33 pm

I haven't looked at any other auctions this seller has but you have love the "found it in the attic/closet etc and the only cards that happen to be in there are the most expensive cards with no commons. Any childhood collection I ever came across always had tons of commons. If he's using the economy as an excuse then he should be selling off all the commons too. Especially since early Bowman sets are always sought after.

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:38 pm

Right. This apparently was the coolest/best shoebox full of cards in history!

Grrrr, scammers@!%

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:55 am

I am probably going to an auction tomorrow that lists the following cards available (I would appreciate any help and what I should bid on them). Feel free to email me @yahoo.com if you'd rather do it that way!


8) Babe Ruth 1933
All–American AUTOGRAPH Graded Authentic card
($1500+Value)

9) Mickey Mantle 1958 Topps #150 BRGS
Graded NM–MT 8 ($1000
Value)

10) Ty Cobb 1910 T206 Cycle Cigarettes
BRGS Graded EX 5
($1000+ Value)

11) Babe Ruth 1933 Goudey #53 BRGS
Graded EX 5 ($2000+
Value)

12) Nolan Ryan Rookie Card 1968 Topps
#177 BRGS Graded MINT
9 ($750+ Value)

13) Wilt Chamberlain Rookie Card 1961
Fleer #8 BRGS Graded
NM–MT 8

14) Bobby Orr Rookie Card 1966–67 Topps
O–Pee–Chee #35 BRGS
Graded NM–MT+ 8.5

15) John Ward 1887–1890 Old Judge N172
Graded Authentic
($1000+ Value)

16) Mickey Mantle 1952 Berk Ross
Baseball Card ($500+ Value)


17) Babe Ruth 1933 Chicago Herald
Baseball Card ($500 Value)


18) Mickey Mantle 1959 Topps #10 BRGS
Graded NM–MT 8 ($1000+
Value)

19) Willie Mays 1952 Bowman #218
Baseball Card ($1000+
Value)

20) Ted Williams 1954 Topps #250 AGS
Graded NM 7 ($500
Value)

21) Babe Ruth 1921 American Caramel
E121 Baseball Card
($Thousands Value)

22) Michael Jordan Rookie Card 1986
Fleer #57 Baseball Card
($500+ Value)

23) Chicago Cubs 1940’s 4 in 1 Exhibit
Baseball Card

24) Chicago White Sox 1940’s 4 in 1
Exhibit Baseball Card

25) Michael Jordan 1985 Star #101
Rookie card ($1000+ Value)


26) Ernie Banks signed Chicago Cubs
Baseball Hat

27) Mickey Mantle autographed
Baseball’s Greatest Heroes
Post Card

28) Mickey Mantle 1969 A Day to
Remember Pin–Backed Button

29) Pete Rose signed uncut sheet of 6
Charlie Hustle BB
Cards

30) Clayton Moore–The Lone Ranger
signed The Lone Ranger
Comic Book

31) Little Niggers circa 1890 Cigar Box
label

32) 1910 Plow Boy Tobacco Premium
Yakima Indian

33) Tinker to Evers to Chance A Poem
(Very Rare)

34) Nellie Fox signed color photo

35) Alfonso Soriano signed 8xl0 Glossy
Color Photo

36) Ryne Sandberg signed 8x10 Glossy
Color Photo

37) Mark Grace signed 8xl0 Glossy Color
Photo

38) Minnie Minoso signed Color Photo

39) Ryne Sandberg signed Beckett
Magazine

40) Mark Grace signed Beckett Magazine

41) Frank Thomas signed The Sporting
News Magazine

42) 9 autographs on 1982 Chicago Cubs
Program

43) Andre Dawson signed 1989 Cubs
Scorecard

44) Gayle Sayers signed Chicago Bears
License Plate

45) Mark Prior signed Cubs Jersey

46) Ted Williams Signed Grand Champions
Card

47) 1954 Topps #94 Ernie Banks Graded
Authentic ($400+
value)

48) Mickey Mantle 1962 Topps #200 BRGS
Graded NM 7 ($600+
Value)

49) Michael Jordan 1986 Fleer #57
Rookie Card Graded NRMT–MT
9.5 ($800+ Value)

50) John Unitas 1957 Topps #138 Rookie
Card BRGS Graded
NM–MT 8

51) Bobby Hull 1958 Topps #66 Rookie
Card BRGS Graded NM–MT
8

52) Michael Jordan 1985 Star Miller
Lite #3 Basketball Card

53) Michael Jordan 1986 Star #7
Basketball Card

54) Michael Jordan 1986 Fleer Rookie
Card Autographed ($500+
Value)

55) Bing Crosby signed Dixie Sheet
Music

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by fisherboy7 on Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:03 am

Personally I would never bid on any card in a "BRGS" graded slab. BRGS is not a well known/recognized grading company, so chances are the cards in those holders are either trimmed/altered or not authentic. There are only a handful of legit grading companies out there that you can trust (SGC, PSA, Beckett, and GAI - kinda).

If there's any way we can see scans/pics of the cards I'm sure we could give you a more informed response. Either way, proceed with caution.

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Re: 1933 Delong Lou Gehrig

Post by wrongarm300 on Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:05 am

Unfortunately this auction did not come with any photos. I was just "googling" BRGS and not finding anything, which automatically worries me. I just emailed the auctioneer for more info. With the way things are going I may just skip this one. UGH!R@#%@

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Post by fisherboy7 on Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:09 am

I would skip it too. My advice to you would be to buy a few low grade t206's or something along those lines. Won't cost you more than $40-50 bucks or so. Take time to become more familiar with the look and feel of cards from that era. The more you handle the cards, combined with the knowledge you attain here over time, the more likely you'll be able to spot a fake in the future. Then, once you become more comfortable with how 100 year old cards should look like, you'll be more confident and prepared to spend big bucks on the vintage cards that you really want.

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