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BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by sabrjay on Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:37 pm


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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by fisherboy7 on Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:23 pm

Looks like this is the only one that's gonna get inducted.

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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by Square_Frame_Ramly on Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:33 pm

how can it not...desirable card and rarely comes up for sale. I think T206 Honus comes up more than the cobb.


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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by cccc on Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:54 pm

i like the selectivity...the other cards were meh to me. maybe our screening process need to improve Smile. the just so young would be a no brainer imo
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by sabrjay on Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:05 pm

It doesn't hurt to have a lot of choices. Only the cards that deserve in to get will get in. A few cards will get put up for a vote again at some point, like the n162 Kelly.

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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by TheRiddler on Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:17 am

I'd like to hear why the dissenting opinion resulted in a "no" vote.

Is the card quality too low? Is the main feature seen solely as a back variation on an otherwise common card? Is Cobb viewed unfavorably? Other?
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by yawie99 on Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:00 am

I voted no. Great card, but I don't really think of it as the quintessential Cobb.
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by jbonie on Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:03 am

It's the ULTIMATE Cobb in my opinion.
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by TheRiddler on Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:32 pm

yawie99 wrote:I voted no. Great card, but I don't really think of it as the quintessential Cobb.

I agree wholeheartedly Steve, but for me, the card does not have to rise to the level of quintessence in more than one catagory. These include:
Card quality - think SGC 98, n172 Alcott
Card/Set Importance or Rarity - think G&B as the sole 19th cent. non-tobacco card set
Pose uniqueness or attractiveness - think Jay's Hengle dead man
Card design asthetics and implementation - think n43s

Because of these criteria, I found the Cobb/Cobb meeting my requirements for "card/set importance or rarity" better than any of the other candidate cards met the criteria which they were striving to achieve.

Of course, all of this is only my opinion. It would be very helpful if others would reveal their criteria so that we can collectively sort out what is right for each of us. And then keep it a secret (or not) once we each have considered all factors.
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by fisherboy7 on Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:37 pm

To me, the ultimate Cobb card is the 1913 Boston Garter.

This is the best scan I could find:


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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by yawie99 on Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:17 pm

That's just it: there's so many ways to approach the question, "What makes a great card?" Just as there are so many ways to think about the actual Hall of Fame. I prefer the guys who tower over their contemporaries - even if it is just for a stretch of several seasons - over those that are pretty good for a really long time.
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by sabrjay on Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:15 pm

There is something to be said for prolonged steadiness. If it were that easy to do, everyone would be hanging around for 20+ years. For long time vet, he has prove that his large salary is worth keeping over a young kid who gets paid less.

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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by yawie99 on Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:46 pm

I don't necessarily disagree, it's just my personal preference. In the end, it's a good thing that the Hall recognizes both the Sandy Koufaxes and the Don Suttons of the baseball world.
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by TheRiddler on Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:50 pm

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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by ullmandds on Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:53 pm

yea...WTF...we're talking bb card hof right? Can't there be 2 ty cobbs in there...I'm guessing someday there will be!

This Cobb/Cobb...to me...is like cy young...or babe ruth...or honus wagner...if we're comparing hof's...it's a no brainer!
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by sabrjay on Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:52 pm

There certainly can be more than one card depicting the same player. Personally, just from eye appeal point of view, the t206 Cobbs do nothing for me. If the name on the card wasn't Cobb, most people wouldn't even give the cards a second thought.

Even though I think the picture of Cobb is lackluster, this card has a lot going for it and I voted for it for these reasons. Rarity, legendary status in the hobby, iconic player. Makes for the perfect storm for a BBC HOF card.

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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by cccc on Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:15 am

big thing with this card for me is the mystery surrounding the ty cobb brand back...only cobb is depicted, very few examples in existence (some glossy some not adding to the mystery), i like the red back...ty cobb card on a ty cobb brand, what's not to love? the card brings alot of questions, excitement, and passion out of the hobby...imo it's a burn out rather than fade away card Smile

p.s. where i can view these cards in the hof's.
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by terjung on Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:28 am

TheRiddler wrote:
yawie99 wrote:I voted no. Great card, but I don't really think of it as the quintessential Cobb.

I agree wholeheartedly Steve, but for me, the card does not have to rise to the level of quintessence in more than one catagory. These include:
Card quality - think SGC 98, n172 Alcott
Card/Set Importance or Rarity - think G&B as the sole 19th cent. non-tobacco card set
Pose uniqueness or attractiveness - think Jay's Hengle dead man
Card design asthetics and implementation - think n43s

Because of these criteria, I found the Cobb/Cobb meeting my requirements for "card/set importance or rarity" better than any of the other candidate cards met the criteria which they were striving to achieve.

Of course, all of this is only my opinion. It would be very helpful if others would reveal their criteria so that we can collectively sort out what is right for each of us. And then keep it a secret (or not) once we each have considered all factors.
Just so that I understand correctly... is it the actual single card that is being nominated... such that we are almost grading that card's condition too? Forgive me, but I don't see the point of that. That would be akin to complaining about Ruth's jersey being dirty or ripped and no discussing the greatness of the player as a whole. (not a perfect analogy, but you get the point)

Quite simply, I think we should presume that it is the card in general (ie. a Cobb / Cobb and not that particular Cobb / Cobb). Otherwise you could nominate one PSA 8 vs. a PSA 9 of the same card. Then you have ridiculous arguments like... Well, the 9 is strong enough to get in, but the 8 is not...
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by TheRiddler on Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:41 pm

I guess that since it was my proposal, I can share my viewpoint. And that is that in the case of the card quality criteria only, a single card would be proposed for a vote. Although each of the other catagories are considered by me to be similarly subjective, and therefore subject to opposing opinions. It was my intention that the rarity, uniqueness and design criteria refer to any example of the card.
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by sabrjay on Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:37 pm

We are not taking card condition into consideration. Imagine you are looking at an 8 or 9.

Quan, here is the link to BBC HOF
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Re: BBC HOF vote Ty Cobb with Cobb back

Post by sabrjay on Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:02 pm

one last bump for votes on these cards and then I'll close them on the weekend

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