WOW....signed W600 Young.
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WOW....signed W600 Young.
Ebay has been so dead lately, how about this W600 Young that showed up yesterday? The large scan is very poor, but judging from the closeup scan, the card looks 100% authentic to me. I have no idea about the sig though. If that sig is good, boy what a special piece this is.
By the way....It's listed in the pre-1930's with a reserve, so there's no "outing" of an auction here (we don't worry about that anyway, do we). I'm sure most of us have seen the auction already, what are your thoughts? Over/under on # of offers the seller has received to end it early?
By the way....It's listed in the pre-1930's with a reserve, so there's no "outing" of an auction here (we don't worry about that anyway, do we). I'm sure most of us have seen the auction already, what are your thoughts? Over/under on # of offers the seller has received to end it early?
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neat piece ben...if the sig is real i could see it being a 15-20k card. if the seller says he's been offered 8.5k for it, that probably means he'd take off line offers. i wonder why the closeup scan is much clearer than the full size...these ebay sellers are weird.
p.s. outing an auction is an oxymoron? people get so bent out of shape about it...usually the greedy ones.
p.s. when did he change his signature from DT(?) to Cy? we need an auto expert
p.s. outing an auction is an oxymoron? people get so bent out of shape about it...usually the greedy ones.
p.s. when did he change his signature from DT(?) to Cy? we need an auto expert
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I saw that piece as well and am very skeptical about the signature although I am admittedly not a signature expert.
In addition to the signature being different (Cy vs. D.T.) I also don't think the way Young is written compares to other legitimate signatures that I've seen.
Regardless, it should still fetch a decent price just for the card/cabinet itself.
In addition to the signature being different (Cy vs. D.T.) I also don't think the way Young is written compares to other legitimate signatures that I've seen.
Regardless, it should still fetch a decent price just for the card/cabinet itself.
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I have some autographs of players and I've noticed that sometimes their signature changes over time. Mickey Mantle is a good example of this.
After doing some searching, I've found two signatures. The second auto is very similar to the signed card. I think that it is possible that it is real.
-Randy
After doing some searching, I've found two signatures. The second auto is very similar to the signed card. I think that it is possible that it is real.
-Randy
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Hey Randy thanks for searching. Like Quan said we need to find out if/when Young signed as "D.T." because both of those balls are signed "Cy". Neither ball signature looks anything like the sig on the W600.
The seller states in his description that he's awaiting a response from Spence authentication. He's also noted that a better front scan will be added. Seems odd that he didn't wait until he heard from Spence before throwing it on ebay. My gut says it's not a legit Young sig but it's certainly possible.
The seller states in his description that he's awaiting a response from Spence authentication. He's also noted that a better front scan will be added. Seems odd that he didn't wait until he heard from Spence before throwing it on ebay. My gut says it's not a legit Young sig but it's certainly possible.
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Everything about both signatures is different. Especially the construct of the "Y", "n" and "g". Granted, the sigs you are using for comparison is on a ball, but it doesn't change your structure that much.
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Her is another ball that says "Denton T. (Cy) Young". This is yet another variation of his signature. Read the description. It might help you solve the mystery. LINK
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I'm still not inclined to think that it is a legitimate Young signature. In particular, the circle in the top of the g is very small compared to all of the other Young signatures I've seen. In addition to that the circle at the top of the g is almost never closed in authenticated Young signatures.
Granted that a persons signature can change over the years but I've never seen any authenticated Young signatures that look like the one on this W600.
Granted that a persons signature can change over the years but I've never seen any authenticated Young signatures that look like the one on this W600.
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I am no autograph expert, but it doesn't look like any of the Young signatures I have seen. Also the whole waiting for Spence thing seems a bit fishy.
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it's fake! yep! I stated that!
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That's a nice card...
...too bad the signature can't be authenticated. I saw an awesome signed T206 Mathewson portrait a few years back at a show. It was amazing looking and the signature looked good to me, without making any comparisons. But the dealer confirmed it was a fake. Still, even with the fake signature on such great cards, it is nice to imagine "what if?"
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anyone recall the ebay price? Now featured in Goodwin...
http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=12508&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1
http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=12508&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1
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That's a damn big write up to say this signature is unique but not quite sure if it's real. Take the Leap of Faith.
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It's an old Mastro trick, bury the truth under a ton of words and hope no one notices
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didn't read the description but looks like spence authenticated the sig? sick card then...
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bowlingshoeguy wrote:That's a damn big write up to say this signature is unique but not quite sure if it's real. Take the Leap of Faith.
I just read through that essay long description (ugh!) and didn't see anything that suggested that they weren't sure it's real. Besides, if JSA says it's authentic, then it must be authentic, right? Unless of course it's an elusive Sal Bando auto. Then all bets are off.
I don't recall the ebay price, but surely the consignor will make a bundle on resale.
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i thought that card looked familiar. The signature looked fake two years ago on ebay, and it still looks fake to me even in the James Spence-authenticated holder...
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My thoughts too. Pretty much everyone thought the sig didn't look good because so much of the "Young" doesn't match up with known exemplars. I have a lot of respect for Spence as he is one of the best at what he does but I'd love to hear Spence's reason for giving this sig the thumbs up.
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Saw this earlier today in Goodwin's. I sure hope it's good for the buyer's sake! I wonder, with no know D.T. Young exemplars/samples, how one authenticates such a piece?
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sig does not look like any young sig i have seen.
when did sgc and spence get back together? or was this slabbed right after it sold on ebay?
when did sgc and spence get back together? or was this slabbed right after it sold on ebay?
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auction ended...if sig is legit, imo card went extremely cheap at 10.4k after juice. you figure a normal sgc40 young would be at least 5-6k?
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I could be wrong, but I think the ebay price was around $3-4k from memory, so I think the consignor did pretty well.
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